2013 5.7 Mods

[fastblackrt]

Whats up guys just looking for some opinions before I start my mod fever when I gather some funds.

Anyone have any experience with swapping out the factory throttle bodys? They seem pretty easy just for bolts and the electrical connector, is it wise to wait for a tuner before swapping these out or does that not make a difference whatsoever?

How hard is it to swap over to a 180 T Stat? i'll wait for the tuner for this to adjust fan speeds to compensate just wondering how hard they are to get at and replace.

Anybody install catch cans and if so how exactly do they go in and how hard are they?

CAI and exhaust are for sure. More then likely will do the solo performance exhaust and possibly the speedlogix/LMI CAI?

Would it be unfeasible to swap the 5.7 cam out for a 6.1/6.4 cam or would you need to get new rockers and valves?

Any other performance mods you can think I didnt mention please feel free to share!

[DartBoy01]

As far as throttle bodies go, they're pretty straight forward to swap out just like you said. I've seen cars benefit from it, while others have had problems with it not being tuned for it.

Thermostats aren't that hard to do either as long as you don't mind getting a little coolant on yourself, and again having a tuner will help with that mod.

Catch cans are almost a need to have on the Hemi engines with the amount of oil buildup they can have in such a short amount of time. Lot's of members have them and would be willing to show you all the different styles there are. This is more of a long term helping mod more than a performance mod, but I'd also recommend it.

As far as exhaust goes, I've never heard of the Solo exhaust your talking about, after looking at their website it just makes me wonder if what they say is true with the "J-pipes" they use. I personally just see it as added weight, because there are a lot more reasonable ways to get rid of the drone.

To give my advice as far as the intake goes. I don't see how they can sell it as a cold air intake when there's no type of heat shield, it's completely open to the engine bay. If I was to suggest one personally, I'd look at JLT Intakes, between all of the CAI systems I've seen and tested on the dyno these always get the most horsepower.

Lastly, as far as the cam goes we need to know if your car has MDS or not, I'm guessing it does. If that's the case then it's pretty cost consuming to do a cam swap, there's only one person I know of that has done it and he's still having problems trying to get the car to run right. So I'd suggest doing a little more research on that before you pull the trigger.

Also, if your looking to get the most out of your money I'd suggest coming into my work. We can price match, if not beat any price you can find online.

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8261 S. Redwood Rd.
West Jordan UT 84088

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My .2 for what its worth.

If you upgrade your throttle body to a 85mm or especially the 90mm. It will require a tune to rich up the fuel, so you don't lean it out too much. I went from the stock 80mm to the 90mm throttle body and threw 2 lean codes shortly after due to getting more air then it was calibrated for based of the fuel/air ratio.

But throttle bodies are very easy to install, literally 10-15 mins tops. Like you said, its just the 4 bolts and the sensor.

The 180 Tstat is just as easy, just make sure you dont break the bolt off in the housing , which is not common, I just had the misfortune to that costly mistake. I would also recommend going with the Jet Tstat, because it was a perfect fit on mine and if I recall when, helping with Bryan's (non Jet) Tstat, we had to grind it down to make it fit properly. So spend the extra 5 bucks.

There is a thread somewhere on Tstat fan settings, I know there is one on the LX forums. This is very easy to do with the programmer.

Catch cans debate, I was very skeptical at first but I got one installed and it has been catching so much bypass oil, its crazy. A mod that is well worth getting. Very easy to install as well.
Here is a pic of my catch can with the Z bracket below to give you an idea of the install set up.


Regarding exhaust mods & CAI. Cant go wrong with any exhaust setup, it boils down to personal preference. I would just recommend finding a lightly used one, if you can to save some coin. In regard to CAI, I like the Stackperformance and LMI True Cold AIr Intake that sits down below the engine bay. As you see in pic above, I have the short ram CAI, that sits behind the headlight for now. Mopar in the last couple years just released a fender sitting Air Intake. Stack and LMI are the composite plastic that probably stays a little cooler then my aluminum one but again, personal preference.

Now as far as the cam, many things to consider, such as recommend supporting mods, which can quickly run your budget up. Example depending on which cam, you may have to get a higher stall converter ($500-$900), Timing chain kit ($150-$275) is highly recommended, Tune ($300-$500) will be required for sure.
ATI Super Damper is suggested ($400). Depending on how big the lift and aggressive your cam is, you may have to upgrade your heads, and that is a costly mod. Is there anything else that I am missing? Personally I dont think I would go with the stock 6.1 or 6.4 cam, I would do an aftermarket cam, there are many options, heck you could even have a custom grind cam based of your supporting mods. So you can see how a $500 cam could cost quite abit more in supporting mods, and the labor isnt cheap either, unless you do it yourself.

There was this Red Challenger R/T that made some very impressive numbers on the dyno, I am talking a few ponies more and quite abit more torque then a stock SRT8. Richard (BYUchallenger) had Long Tube Headers, UnderPulley, HiFlow Cats, CatBack Exhaust, Intake and Tune, Phil, Ben and myself were very surprised to say the least, when Richard put down more torque then all of our SRT8s and we all have different model SRT8s of course they were all stock with canned tunes, CAI and Exhaust.

While you are saving up, do plenty of research on what works best for the new 5.7 R/Ts. Im not sure if yours has the MDS or what. Check the Challenger Talk forums and LX forums, as someone just went through exactly what you are planning.
Good Luck and keep us posted! Also PM, Brian (ChallengeIT), I know he just had an aggressive cam installed in his R/T Challenger with many other supporting mods such as CNC ported Manifold and Head work I believe.

[fastblackrt]

Thanks for the input guys heres what I plan on doing mod wise as of now haha..

1. Solo Performance Exhaust, I had their system on my 2011 SXT and I loved it plus they are the only company that posts their dyno tested results. Plus as far as exhaust go its only 800 bones which for me is a great price vs others like borla, corsa, and magnaflow which are all well over 1G.

2. If the tuner is released as soon as DS says it will be i'll probably go with the SpeedlogiX Trinty/CAI package which around 650 bones which isnt bad when looking at the base prices for tuners and CAI's since you end up saving roughly anywhere from 80-150 bucks depending on the intake.

3. I'm going to go with the SpeedlogiX 87mm ported TB since they redesigned the TB's on the 2013 models its the only one that will work.

4. Again once the tuner is out i'll go with the JET 180 TS but I have no idea where the factory one is located or how to replace it so when that time comes plan on a few more questions from me haha.

5. Catch can is an obvious just need to figure out how to install it.

6. Sorry for another question but just wondering if anyone here has headers and if soo did you notice any particular gains from them? What im really asking is are they worth the $$$

Thanks again guys!

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Mar 12, 2013 16:52:08 GMT -7 fastblackrt said:

Thanks for the input guys heres what I plan on doing mod wise as of now haha..

1. Solo Performance Exhaust, I had their system on my 2011 SXT and I loved it plus they are the only company that posts their dyno tested results. Plus as far as exhaust go its only 800 bones which for me is a great price vs others like borla, corsa, and magnaflow which are all well over 1G.

2. If the tuner is released as soon as DS says it will be i'll probably go with the SpeedlogiX Trinty/CAI package which around 650 bones which isnt bad when looking at the base prices for tuners and CAI's since you end up saving roughly anywhere from 80-150 bucks depending on the intake.

3. I'm going to go with the SpeedlogiX 87mm ported TB since they redesigned the TB's on the 2013 models its the only one that will work.

4. Again once the tuner is out i'll go with the JET 180 TS but I have no idea where the factory one is located or how to replace it so when that time comes plan on a few more questions from me haha.

5. Catch can is an obvious just need to figure out how to install it.

6. Sorry for another question but just wondering if anyone here has headers and if soo did you notice any particular gains from them? What im really asking is are they worth the $$$

Thanks again guys!

No worries, keep us posted. Check out Harrison shop for price comparison as well. Nothing wrong with shopping around, especially if it will save you some coin.

Sounds like you got the exhaust, tuner and intake decision figured out. Tstat is relatively easy mods. On my picture below, the tstat is located at the black hose housing below the Throttle Body, just bottom right of the catch can. You can see it in the picture, it is where the black rubber hose is, and I can help you with the install when you are ready.

Catch can is another easy install, and I can help you with it as well.

Regarding the headers, I have them installed and for the cost versus the stock shorty headers for the 6.1, I would say no, unless you get a killer deal like I did or if you plan to doing a stroker down the road, which I am going to. The 6.1 header s are actually pretty dang good from according from other experience national members as well as performance companies.

Now with that said, I am not sure bout the new 5.7L, I know the older ones, headers and high flow cats were a recommended change, as they are so much more restricted, I couldnt tell you if that holds the same for the newer ones.

regarding the cost vs gains, my pre header and post header dyno numbers werent a huge gain, but I knew that going into it, but all the supporting mods down the road, it would benefit from.
But as Harrison posted bout the new 392 GC SRT, it had huge gains with headers, intake and exhaust. I would pay money for 48RWHP gains all day for the cost of headers.

[fastblackrt]

No worries, keep us posted. Check out Harrison shop for price comparison as well. Nothing wrong with shopping around, especially if it will save you some coin.

Sounds like you got the exhaust, tuner and intake decision figured out. Tstat is relatively easy mods. On my picture below, the tstat is located at the black hose housing below the Throttle Body, just bottom right of the catch can. You can see it in the picture, it is where the black rubber hose is, and I can help you with the install when you are ready.

Catch can is another easy install, and I can help you with it as well.

Regarding the headers, I have them installed and for the cost versus the stock shorty headers for the 6.1, I would say no, unless you get a killer deal like I did or if you plan to doing a stroker down the road, which I am going to. The 6.1 header s are actually pretty dang good from according from other experience national members as well as performance companies.

Now with that said, I am not sure bout the new 5.7L, I know the older ones, headers and high flow cats were a recommended change, as they are so much more restricted, I couldnt tell you if that holds the same for the newer ones.

regarding the cost vs gains, my pre header and post header dyno numbers werent a huge gain, but I knew that going into it, but all the supporting mods down the road, it would benefit from.
But as Harrison posted bout the new 392 GC SRT, it had huge gains with headers, intake and exhaust. I would pay money for 48RWHP gains all day for the cost of headers.

I have been told by multiple sources that changing the headers on the 5.7 are a highly restricted part of the car and that adding headers are highly recommended so I have been doing some looking around on them and decided to go with JBA Shortties.

[salty801]

Did you ever get the solo exhaust? I have a 2012 5.7 and think this is the route I want to go too

[fastblackrt]

I did not get it yet the only exhaust mod I have done so far is a resonator delete but one day I plan on getting it!